WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Hey, Theresa, what you doing? She's like, oh, I'm about to go to a battle. It starts at, like, 6, and it's 3. 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Oh. 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:13.000 I'm like, hey, I want to come. She's like, do you want to enter? I'm like, yes, of course. But what does she mean by entering? I didn't ask. 4 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.000 You don't know? Oh, my God. Amazing. Amazing. 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:18.000 She's like, what's that? 6 00:00:18.000 --> 00:02:48.000 Ignorance is bliss. Shut. Shut up. Shut up right now. Welcome to the podcast. Maybe. Maybe. Guys, this might be my favorite conversation that I've ever had in my life. The joy, the learning, the story that you are about to receive from one of my dance heroes. Like, top. Top dance heroes. My guest today is Hurricane, and y' all are not ready for his story. I. This episode, more than any other, is a story. It's not an interview. You just get the full. You just get the whole Hurricane story. And I'm so jealous of you. I'm so excited for you and what you're about to receive. So let's just do that then. Okay. On the podcast, we do wins still, even though we have rebranded. Did you notice the rebrand. Looks around the room? The exact same room. It's the exact same podcast with a different title. The podcast is now called Dance plus Words that Move Me. We're keeping, obviously, the legacy title Words that Move Me, which is a mouthful. And let's be honest, I've got a separate podcast about the rebrand and my decision to pivot. That is not what we are talking about today, but welcome to Dance Plus. This is the best conversation I've ever had with a person. I have a lot of great conversations with Riz, but when it comes to people, this is tops. Before we get into the conversation, wins, Today, I am celebrating the end of a mystery. I applied for a new passport very recently. Then I got a mysterious email that was like, we don't have everything we need from you, so your. Your status is no longer pending. It's paused until we get what we need for you from you. You're getting something in a mail that will tell you more. And I'm like, that is so fishy. And then for, like, seven whole days, I got nothing in the mail until today. On the other side of that wall there is the letter that will tell me what I need to give the passport office in order to get my new passport. Yes. That's my wins for today. How about you? What's going well in your world? Did you get any mail? Tell me your win out Loud. That part is important. Do. 7 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.000 Yay. 8 00:02:51.000 --> 00:04:05.000 I'm not gonna clap, but I am cheering you on. Congratulations. So glad you're winning. Now let's get to the main event. I almost had a spit take during this interview. I laughed so hard I almost spit all over my guest and the floor. And Riz. Fucking buckle up, friends. This is a good one. Enjoy the one and only Hurricane. This is a given. Easy one. Welcome to the podcast. Hi, I'm geeking out. I'm geeking out over here because I'm a really big fan of yours. And also partially because usually the guests that I have on the podcast are. Are friends of mine and people that I already know. But this is kind of our get to know you. This is our talk shop. This is our first time, like, one on one talking in front of Riley, who also. And Riz, who will make herself known when she feels appropriate. Okay. But thank you for being on the podcast. I know you're only in LA for a short time, so I feel very lucky. Okay, first item of business. You have to introduce yourself. I'm so curious to hear how this goes. 9 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:34.000 Introducing myself. Okay. My name is Hurricane. I am a person that is amazingly in love with dance. And the love simply grow and expands at all times. And because of that love, I not. Somehow I ended up having an amazing journey. Since I fell in love with dance. 10 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:35.000 Yeah. 11 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.000 Since I physically fell in love with dance. Was 2008. Because before that I was just too shy to dance. 12 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:42.000 Oh. 13 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:46.000 And then 2008 came. I was like, oh, I can do this. That's it. 14 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.000 What? What changed? 15 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:58.000 I made it to house dance conference and I saw dance. 16 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:12.000 Okay. So seeing dance and probably being in dance, it wasn't just seeing dance, like on a TV or on a screen or outside of yourself, but you were inside of it and it was around you. And you engaged. 17 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.000 I engaged. 18 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.000 You engaged. 19 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.000 You did engaged. 20 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:21.000 Okay. And then in the engagement, you found like, oh, I can do this, and I'm kind of good at it. 21 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.000 I said, I can do this. That's what I'm doing. 22 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Nice. And then full speed ahead, it was dance gone. Amazing. We have different origin stories. Very shocked to hear that. But. But I do. I do think, like, I do think you posted something recently that had me feeling very engaged about Andre 3000 flute album. Yes. And you were like, I get it. I get it now because you've. Okay, so actually, sorry, let me just. Wow. Emergency break. You talked about how you met dance. So that's how it started. How is it going now? 23 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:59.000 Where. 24 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.000 Where are you at in your dance relationship today? 25 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:08.000 My dance relationship today I am deeply deeper in love. 26 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.000 And 27 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:28.000 the thing I wrote, I think it's. It was there since the start, the love for dance. Yeah. Because I was just watching it, and I'm amazed by it. I've been watching dance since a toddler. Yeah. Since I could. Since I was. Since I became aware. 28 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:29.000 What do you remember watching the most? 29 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:38.000 I lived in Haiti, and whenever I had a chance to be in front of a tv, we didn't. I don't know if we had specific channels. I was very, very young. I came here when I was eight. 30 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:39.000 Okay. 31 00:06:39.000 --> 00:07:04.000 But I remember a lot. And there would always be operas and ballets and music videos, Haitian rap music videos. Dance, I know is compa. That's Hades dance, Compa, Zuk, and other traditional dances I saw all the time. I loved. I always want to. When the. When the adults take you and make you dance, I would freeze. 32 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.000 Interesting. 33 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.000 Yeah. 34 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:13.000 I was socially scared or scared of the physical or the emotional. 35 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:14.000 I just didn't know. 36 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.000 Okay. 37 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:23.000 And the thing that I felt, I didn't know, so I froze because I just don't know. 38 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:58.000 Well, dang. If it's true that you live your life in balance, then all that freezing is paying off now because I don't see anything when I watch you dance. I do think you use stillness very well. And I think, for me, anyways, when I freestyle, it's the urge to, like, spit moves out. Go, go, go, go. Is, like, so loud that to really honor stillness is still actively a challenge for me. It's something I have to think about doing. But I love the way you use stillness in your dancing. So it's very interesting that freeze was what happened first, and now you've thawed. 39 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.000 You know what? The frizzness, the. The. 40 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.000 The freezing. I think you should commit to it, actually. 41 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:14.000 No, the stillness. The stillness is literally me battling all the insecurities in real time. 42 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.000 There's a dialogue. 43 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:26.000 There's a dialogue happening. Why do you want to impress someone? Why do you want to. Why do you want to look good? Why do you want to be good? Why do you want to, like, you love dance, so just dance. 44 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:35.000 And so you're answering those questions or you're having that negotiation. Riz. Yikes. This is important. 45 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000 Yes. 46 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:51.000 We're trying to talk about his discussions without you making yourself the third wheel in the conversation. So when you're freezing, when you're dancing now, or when you're using stillness, I should say it's because there's dialogue happening. 47 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.000 There's dialogue happening. 48 00:08:52.000 --> 00:09:03.000 Okay, cool. Could you. Could you share. Okay, you shared a couple sentences. Do you answer those questions first in your mind and then dance, or do you answer them with dance? 49 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:21.000 They're being answered with dance sick. Yeah. Because the more I release them is the more I'm getting more relaxed. It's. The more things are just coming out. It's the more I'm remembering that I love dance. It's. The more I'm remembering that I. I just trust my movements and. And I just trust the music. 50 00:09:21.000 --> 00:11:57.000 I think the trust part is crucial and maybe has some overlap to the Andre 3000. There is a trust and a freedom in releasing what people will think of you, in releasing the idea of being perfect. And for me, especially, like, I've. I have never battled. This is. I've said it before on the podcast. This is not news to anybody who's a fan fan. But people listening to me for the first time with you are probably gonna look down their nose at me. I have never battled, and there are several reasons for that. Namely, I'm terrified of the thought of being surrounded by eyeballs. I perform mostly on stages and on camera, and one direction worth of eyeballs is enough pressure for me. The thought of 360 degrees of that is, dare I say it, paralyzing to me. And, um, I have a. I have a strong mind. I know how to talk to myself and I know how to negotiate in a similar way that you do, but I haven't practiced it in that way in that space. So I'm. I have a lot of questions about battle mentality, especially in what is probably my favorite style of dance. Campbell Locking, AKA Locking. Because I think that dance. I haven't met a dance more joyful. And it's funny you mentioned zouk, which I also admire so much. I love a lot of D also, I think similarly, I've not met a style of dance that I don't like. There are dances that feel more native to me, and I think one of my primary outputs is joy. And so I rest very well with the Campbellock. And I love it. Was one of the first street styles that I learned when I moved to LA. Left my dance studio when I was 18, came to LA and was aware of all of the things I did not know. Got very lucky in my timing and placement. Met Tony Basil when I was, like, probably 19 or 20 and started jamming with her, training with her, doing little trade swaps with her. She introduced me to Sugar Pop, who was Teaching a lot at the time. And Lockadelic, who taught a weekly slot at Millennium that was an hour and 15 minutes long, I think. And she didn't speak like we were Dan. Like we were. We stop and go. We did not stop. We just goed. 51 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.000 We just go. 52 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:18.000 We just go. We stop and goed for probably 15 minutes straight. And I. That's what kind of was required to get comfortable with this as a. As a vocabulary. But I really do love this dance so much. Curious to hear about how you fell in love or when you found. How did you find the Campbell lock? AKA locking. 53 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.000 AKA locking. Wow. 54 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:27.000 So. Or was it at the. Or was it at the house? 55 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:40.000 No, before that. So I. I dance alone. Oh, I dance alone. I don't dance in front of people. My gosh. No. Absolutely not. So when I'm younger, I dance alone. 56 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.000 Okay. 57 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:51.000 And since I'm young, I love physical activities. Play football, AKA Soccer. Soccer. Not until I moved to America. That's when I played football. American football. 58 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:52.000 Okay. 59 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:00.000 But in. In Haiti, I played basketball. Soccer. Yeah, that was about it. Okay. And tag and all the things. Racing friends. 60 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.000 Yeah. 61 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:22.000 And the first time I saw someone flip, okay. My eyes was just locked. And that's when I figure out actually have a very special eyes that when I see something, you can learn it. I. I see it, and I can do it. And the first time I saw someone do a backflip, I was like, how does that work? 62 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.000 Do that one more time. 63 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:42.000 And the more they did it, the more I get it. And I just did it. And then the. The person did a backflip off the wall, and I was like, whoa, I have to do that. I have to do that. There was some tires. And the gallery, huh? 64 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:43.000 Yeah. 65 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:54.000 So in Haiti, the house always have, like a. A front porch. It's like. We call it the gallery. Okay. It's like a Porsche, but not a porch because it's. It's a room. 66 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.000 Ah. 67 00:13:55.000 --> 00:14:03.000 It's like there's a porch and then there's a room, and then there's the house. The entrance to the house. Yes. So it's like so many layers to get in the house. 68 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:04.000 Buffers. Just. 69 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:28.000 Just preparing you to be inside. So there's some tires. And I just got on it, and I said, I. I know how to do this. And I. Boom. And then, my God, I was so excited. I call. Oh. I called my brothers and my friend. I said, look at what I can do. I can do what he just did. Let me show you. I did it. And bam. I fell Right on my back. And I said, well, I'm never gonna do that again. I'm gonna keep things to myself. Oh. 70 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:34.000 So there was an incident that was usually humiliating the people that you love and trust. And you were so excited. 71 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.000 They were laughing, baby. 72 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Oh, that kills me. Okay, done. I get it. 73 00:14:41.000 --> 00:15:22.000 So alone, alone. Everything alone. And I just enjoy music. My God. In Haiti, I didn't. I have to always remember that I came here when I was 8 years old, so the awareness I had. I remember everything. It's just. I didn't know. I was so young. And. And Haiti, we list, like, I didn't know about radio channels. I didn't know what channel. I'm realizing the things that I didn't know. So I just heard the radio, right? And they played everything, like, everything. Classical, hip hop, jazz, compa Zouk, like, everything. Enya. Josh Groban. 74 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.000 Yes. Josh Groban. 75 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.000 Haiti we love. 76 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.000 I was Josh Groban One year for Halloween. 77 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:34.000 You was Josh Groban. We lost on Josh Groban. 78 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:38.000 I was sexy Josh Groban for hours. 79 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.000 You making my laugh. Come out. 80 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.000 I will share with you photos privately. 81 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.000 Yes, please. Privately. I'm dead. 82 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.000 I'm sorry. I'm so hot now. Okay, keep going. Josh Groban. 83 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:56.000 Yeah, we here. 84 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.000 I almost did a spit take just now. Oh, my God. 85 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.000 We here. 86 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:01.000 You were here. 87 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:01.000 Okay, we're here. 88 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.000 So they're playing everything, and your ears are like. And your mind is like. 89 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:10.000 We love. We love Celine John and Haiti. My gosh. Everybody loves Celine John and she's the best. She's the best. 90 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.000 Who doesn't? 91 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.000 Oh, my God. Luther Vandross. 92 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.000 Okay. 93 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:23.000 And so I. I listen to everything, so I. I just enjoy great music. Got it. I didn't know about genres, right? I didn't know about genres, everything, right, 94 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:31.000 because nobody had taught you. We learn genres of dance because we train and have to sign up for a class that has to be called something. 95 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.000 But. 96 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:35.000 But you trained alone, so you didn't know genres of dance, and you didn't 97 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.000 hear genres of music. 98 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.000 Genres of music. You heard the radio and you heard songs. You heard music. 99 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.000 I just thought people's expressions were different. 100 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.000 Yes. 101 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.000 That's all. And that was music. 102 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.000 And you were right. 103 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.000 And that was dance. My mind is being blown right now. 104 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:58.000 Yeah, yeah. It's true, though. That's very cool. 105 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:05.000 You know, I don't know. I'm practicing. I'm just, like, moving. Especially, like, compa Is varying. You know, it's very. 106 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 107 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:15.000 It's very. And then we just follow along with each other. And that was it. That was it. Until the end of my high school year. 108 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:16.000 Okay. 109 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:25.000 For some reason. And parties, I'm usually just chill. I am the wallflower. Fair. And then for some reason, I. Shame 110 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.000 for the party man. 111 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:42.000 Yes. And then for some reason, I started dancing. I just. I was not a wolf. I would be dancing, but, like, very unintentionally, in social. In social space. 112 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.000 Okay. Wow. Yikes. 113 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:49.000 I think I just. I just started dancing. That's literally all I can say. 114 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.000 That's fair. That's fine. That's how it went down. 115 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:52.000 That's fine. 116 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Yeah. That's how it went down. Yo. Yo. I'm learning more and more. I've got nieces. One of them is 12, 1 7. And sometimes there's not a reason for things. Gradually, there were things. And then at one dance, you were like, I'm dancing now. And what was the response? 117 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:18.000 The response. People were watching. And when people watch, I stop. 118 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.000 Oh, interesting. 119 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Yeah. 120 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.000 Because the reflex of like, oh, something bad might happen. Okay. 121 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.000 I just stop. 122 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 Okay. 123 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.000 The freeze come back. 124 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.000 The freeze come back. 125 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.000 And. Except it was happening less and less. 126 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:32.000 The freeze was happening less. 127 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:45.000 Yeah. It's not. It was just like, I started just dancing more even when people were looking. It's just when they started engaging with. The only thing that made me stop now is when they started engaging. 128 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:46.000 Okay. 129 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.000 Like, oh, my God. Oh, what you doing? 130 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.000 And then I'm like, totally. 131 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.000 The freeze is back. Yeah. 132 00:18:51.000 --> 00:19:02.000 So because the sentence enters, what am I doing? And then you're like, what am I doing? I have to be doing all the sentences. 133 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:10.000 And it was just like, now I'm like, the person. Hey, we're going to this party. You want to come? Hey, we're going to this party. You want to come? Oh, because I guess you can dance 134 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.000 because you are the party. Turns out. Turns out. 135 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:24.000 And. And I kept doing that, and then I started by 20. I'm starting to seek dance more now. I'm looking for it. 136 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:25.000 Right. Instead of. 137 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Yeah. 138 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.000 Instead of being dragged to it, you're finding it and getting yourself. 139 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:45.000 I'm literally looking like. And then there is a dance crew in Stamford City where I'm from, where I was raised. Stanford, Connecticut. Yes. And their name is Collision. And I joined them. 140 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.000 It was competitive or performing. They performed or trained or performed a lot. Cool. 141 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.000 Perform. Like it's rehearsal. 142 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Yeah. 143 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Perform somewhere. 144 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.000 Learning choreography. 145 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.000 Choreography. 146 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.000 Wow. What was that like for the first time? 147 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.000 I was just at Joy. I don't know. 148 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:05.000 And probably natural because of your mind and the way it sees things and can break them down. 149 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:11.000 For me, it. It. I didn't even know, like, if it was choreography. I was just dancing. It was just, like, again, not knowing 150 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:20.000 what it was was such a service to you. You didn't think, I don't know how to do choreography? Because it wasn't choreography. It was dance. And you were like, I know how to dance. 151 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.000 I didn't have that thought until I started doing choreography. 152 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Yo, yo. That is so powerful. Okay, so you are on this company. You're learning choreography, you're getting to perform, and people are looking at you and reacting. But it's not just you. 153 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.000 No. 154 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:39.000 So you're weathering that storm. You're moving on, and you're like, holy, I might be able to do this. 155 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:42.000 Plus, I don't know if I was good yet. 156 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.000 Okay. 157 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:58.000 So I was always in the back, so it was great for me, I think. I mean, everybody, you know, you want to be in front to me, and I just want to dance. I can dance back here. I want to be in this crew, though. 158 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.000 I want. 159 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:05.000 Absolutely. I. I. Put me in the performance. Please. It's just. I can be in the back, because then nobody sees me. 160 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:08.000 Lower stakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 161 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:13.000 Okay. So that's. That's what it was for a very long time until they're like, oh, you can flip. Why can you? 162 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:18.000 Oh, you can. And I'm like, you're like, no, I can't. Who told you I could flip? 163 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:30.000 And then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it for y'. All. But it's all. The focus is on them, right? Not never the audience. It's just the purpose is to make this my team. This is beautiful. 164 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.000 Yeah. 165 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:45.000 The whole thing has to be beautiful. So I'm gonna do it for my team. That's it. And after, when people would come to the team and be like, oh, my God, you guys are so amazing, and I'm like, no, please don't. Please don't go away. No. 166 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.000 That's hard for you, huh? 167 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.000 Yes. 168 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:51.000 Oh, this is gonna be very awkward conversation then. 169 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:52.000 That was no. 170 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.000 Okay. 171 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.000 Till this day, I'm now learning how to go in front of the room 172 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:03.000 after shows to receive the flowers and. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. 173 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.000 Yeah. 174 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.000 Okay. So then how long after that was house dance Conference? 175 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.000 So that was 2007, 2008. It's house dance Conference. 176 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.000 Okay, cool. 177 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.000 You have no idea about this. This dance journey is. 178 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.000 Isn't it wild? 179 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.000 Oh, my gosh. You see how you met Tony Bas at 19? 180 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.000 Yeah. 181 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:25.000 House Dance Conference. So I start 2007 more. I'm seeking dance. 182 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:26.000 Yes. 183 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:39.000 Dance with the crew. And the crew doesn't perform all the time. And then one night in 2008, I'm working. I was working at Subway. 184 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:55.000 I was like, I just tried based on the motion. I was like, you're. You're laying bricks. No. You're a pilot. No. What is it? 185 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.000 Amazing. What would you like to hear? 186 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 You're a sandwich artist. Yes. Yes, I see it. 187 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.000 Yes. 188 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.000 Okay. 189 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:19.000 And my brother's like, hey, come to this party with me and my friends. And I'm like, no, I'm making every excuses in the world to not go. I'm at work, and I finished at 11, so the party will be over. No, we're going to New York. Finish at 5 or 4. Huh? Oh, I'm gonna be dirty. I have to shower. And it takes, like, oh. 190 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.000 And I'm an hour and a half 191 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:44.000 to get to New York. It's gonna be so late. He's like, no, we're gonna come pick you up. I'm like, huh? I'm like, but I have to go home first. Yeah, we're gonna come pick you up at the job. For some reason, whatever I said, it was just not happening. And he literally comes picking me up at 11, and him and his friends, and they're all fly. And me, I'm in my work clothes. I said, see, you all are ready, and I'm not. So when you drop me home, it's gonna be too late. 192 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.000 I'm staying at home. 193 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:59.000 I'm not. He's like, we're going. You're gonna shower, you're gonna get dressed, and we're going to. And that's literally what happened. So I go to this club in New York. That was not my first time in New York. That was just the first time I have the most memorable moment. 194 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.000 Yeah. 195 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:18.000 And we go to the club, and right away I see this girl dancing, and I just go up to her. Me, I don't go up to people. Are you crazy? Absolutely not. And for some reason, I just go up to her. I'm like, wow, you dance very different than everybody in here. What do you do? 196 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.000 Yeah. 197 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:28.000 And then we just started talking, and then we started dancing. I don't do that at all. But for some reason, you were moved to do that. Yeah, I know. 198 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 What was it that she was doing? 199 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000 Do I remember? I knew she was locking for sure. 200 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.000 Was she? 201 00:24:34.000 --> 00:25:06.000 Yes. But that was not the first time I saw locking. Locking. I saw. When I was in Collision. And I. The. Some of the dancers started talking about bdc. So that's my entrance to the dance world. Yeah. And I wanted to go to bdc, and I was looking for dances, and I was. I'm always watching performances. My God. I'm always watching, like, tour videos and ask me how I got them. I have no idea. Because there was no. There was YouTube, but it was not like that. 202 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.000 Yeah, Yeah. 203 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:18.000 I saw the Usher performance where they were doing this thing, and I was like, wow, that's. That is an easy way of doing choreography. 204 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.000 Wow, look at that. Boom, boom. Up, down. 205 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.000 That's it. 206 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.000 Cool. 207 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.000 Done. I'm learning this choreography, and that's how it started. 208 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.000 Okay. 209 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:44.000 I'm learning this thing. And now let's fast forward to the night my brother brings me to the club. And she's doing that and much more thing. I know. I know what popping was, and I. Everybody knows what breaking was and what popping is. Like, that's the things that everybody know. Popping and breaking or pop locking. 210 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.000 Gross. But yeah. 211 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:56.000 Yeah, everyone knows what that is. And I'm dancing with her, and I'm like, oh, my God, where do you go? Where do you dance? And I'm asking all the questions. 212 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.000 And she's like, bdc. 213 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:06.000 And she. They have a foreign. Foreign exchange student program. And so I'm gonna. Maybe I'm gonna snitch on everyone right now. 214 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.000 Do it. 215 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:22.000 So a lot of the dancers from not. Not the US they go to these programs, I guess. I don't know if I want to say this. They go into these programs. Except it's not for the program. It's for street dance. Yeah. 216 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.000 It's to. It's for the time outside the program. 217 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.000 Yeah. 218 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 Yeah. 219 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.000 So they do the program. They do great. Because they. 220 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:39.000 I think that's not a bad thing. Even a lot of people go to college. Yeah. For the experience of having a place to be that isn't the workforce and isn't home. I think that's normal. 221 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:46.000 It is a good thing. So it's that she came. She went to the program so she can. 222 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.000 So she could be at the club. 223 00:26:48.000 --> 00:27:02.000 Cool. And then she invited me to a club, and I'm excited to go. Of course I am. And her name is Teresa. Teresa Gustafson. She's from Sweden. Imagine. The person that introduced me to the dance world is from Sweden. 224 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:06.000 Amazing. That is epic. 225 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:17.000 And she brought me to this club house dance conference. And now I know who does it now. I know who were there, but I had no idea about these people. 226 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.000 Your whole World got rocked. 227 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:24.000 Rocked. And I'm in here. Like, 228 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.000 what? 229 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.000 Everyone does this. 230 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:40.000 It was like you were surrounded by the kid doing the backflip for hours on end. So you were surrounded by all of these. Like this. Like, popcorn. Of firsts and. And exceptionally talented people. 231 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.000 Exceptionally. Huh? 232 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.000 Like, 1%. Like the top. The top of every field. 233 00:27:45.000 --> 00:28:21.000 Everyone there. Now I know. It was Stretch. It was a decimal, it was Doc, it was Specs, it was bright and green. It was Sekou, it was Khalifi, it was Ego, It's Firelock, It's. It's everyone that's anyone. Even J Rock was there. A lot of the La Popper, Rashad. Oh, my God. Like, so many people that I didn't know, but now I know that they were there. I mean, everyone was there. People from the dmv, people from Boston, like Megatron and. And Shiloh. And so many dancers was there that I didn't know, but now I know. 234 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:22.000 Yeah. 235 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:30.000 And imagine all those people that are like. And me, I'm just, like, getting rocked, and I'm just dancing. 236 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.000 Yeah. 237 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:46.000 I am dancing. It's. I'm fully engaged, and no freeze. Like, no freeze. And it's like. It was a different feeling. No one cares yet. They cared. If that makes sense. 238 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.000 It's that they care deeply about something and not about other things. 239 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:56.000 So the feeling was so different. It was the. Yeah. It wasn't like the yeah. 240 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.000 If that makes. 241 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.000 I don't. If that makes sense. 242 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:04.000 I think it does, but try to explain it anyways. For the listener, viewer at home. 243 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.000 What did I feel? I'm there right now, though. 244 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:13.000 Amazing. Yeah. You're reliving it. That's such a rich experience. 245 00:29:13.000 --> 00:30:00.000 I'm there. I felt. I felt the. They're enjoying me just like I enjoy when I. I watched dance for years and never danced. Yeah. Except when I'm alone. So I. I know, like, that I'm familiar with this thing that I'm receiving from them. I know it because it was not. I want to touch it. It was not. I want to be part of it. It was not. It was just wow. And then they were just dancing, and I had the same feeling. It was just like, wow. I didn't want to interrupt it at all. And when I danced, that's what I felt. And it was like, okay, yeah, this is good. 246 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:13.000 This is good. It was an exchange. It was reciprocal. It was mutual. But it wasn't hot air. It wasn't gas. It wasn't. It was just. 247 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.000 Yeah. 248 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.000 Receiving and exchanging. 249 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:26.000 It was like we were all enjoying the same thing and in the same way. Just. It doesn't look the same. And. 250 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000 And that's dance. And that's dance. 251 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:44.000 And the thing about it, again, I didn't know what any style was. And everyone was doing everything. Everything that I saw, they were on the floor, they were doing this, they were doing this. They were doing other things that I've never seen before. So for me, they're dancing. 252 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.000 Right. 253 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.000 It's just dance. So now I'm here doing all those things. 254 00:30:49.000 --> 00:31:14.000 Right. However, history and chronology and documentation and reverence is very important to you. Yes. And that happened. Seemingly not seemingly. That happened after. That came after. So did you get the bite to learn? Were you, like, humble down, become a student, go take popping 101 or, like, what happened next? 255 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:23.000 Absolutely. And it. And I don't know if it's about humble. It's about. No, not about anything. It's. I. My desire to just learn dance. My desire to just. 256 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.000 So it was. All of it. Teach me all of it. 257 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.000 Yeah. Just please, please. 258 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:34.000 Okay. And your pursuit led you to, in some cases, the source. 259 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.000 The source, Right. Absolutely. 260 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.000 Good timing. Good timing. 261 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.000 Very. 262 00:31:39.000 --> 00:32:34.000 I feel very lucky to be a dancer right now. The access that we have, the people that are still living, and obviously we have lost so many, but the sources are still with us in several of these genres that weren't genres that night because everybody was bilingual, trilingual. Everybody was using. People use the metaphor of dances and language all the time when they're talking about how to use punctuation and how to make exclamatory sentences versus questions. And I do think analogy like that can be helpful, especially in this one way. No sentence is made up of a, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V, W, X, Y, z. Building blocks are not enough. It definitely helps to know the ABCs if you are trying to make a sentence, but nobody gets out there and says the ABCs as if it's a sentence. 263 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000 We speak and then we learn the ABCs. 264 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:56.000 Yeah. So I think what happened to you that night is you were dropped in the middle of. Not even. Not even. It was like some high art, like spoken word, beat poetry, Shakespeare, whatever. Like really artful linguists. And then you were like the. 265 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.000 Yes. 266 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.000 What is that made of? 267 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.000 Yes. 268 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:05.000 And then you went and learned your ABCs. That makes a lot of sense to me. That makes a lot of sense to me. 269 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.000 I didn't know anything. 270 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:10.000 You got really good at your ABCs. And now you also. I'LL tell you why I love speaking so many languages. 271 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.000 Absolutely. 272 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.000 Why did. Wait, what? 273 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.000 What? 274 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.000 There's. There's another key, another core life memory here. 275 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.000 After this one, I went to step your game up. 276 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.000 Okay. Yeah, yeah. 277 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:24.000 Even I didn't. I didn't engage yet enough after that to know the styles, even. 278 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.000 Okay. 279 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.000 I just saw dance, and I kept 280 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.000 dancing, and you were like, and I'm going to go to all the dance things that there are. 281 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.000 I went to all. 282 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.000 I want to be surrounded by that feeling all the time to all the 283 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:37.000 parties, and I was just dancing again. And I was not asking question because the only person he talks to is Teresa. 284 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.000 Right. 285 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:52.000 When Teresa brings me to her friends, I'm. And then one day she said to me, you have such a strong personality. You have such a good personality, and why you never show it. I don't like that. And I'm like, oh, no, my friend is mad at me. Oh, no, no, no. 286 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.000 You froze as she's telling you. Why do you freeze? You were like, I'm frozen. 287 00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:06.000 Yes. Amazing. And it's. It's. It's her care. And we became very close. My gosh. Yeah. We're still close. We're still. We're still friends. 288 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.000 Good. 289 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:14.000 Step your game up. I'm coming from work. I'm laughing at the work. 290 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.000 I was gonna say pilot. 291 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.000 The work is acting. I was acting before dancing. 292 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.000 Oh, my goodness. 293 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:26.000 Yeah. And I'm coming from work, and I'm in New York, so I was in. 294 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:27.000 So you had moved? 295 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.000 Not yet. 296 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.000 Okay. 297 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:38.000 I'm upstate New York, and then I'm coming on a bus, and I'm like, hey, Theresa, what you doing? She's like, oh, I'm about to go to a battle. It starts at, like, 6, and it's 3. 298 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.000 Oh. 299 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:50.000 But it's gonna take me a couple hours to get to. I'm like, hey, I want to come. And I think I should be there by. By five. She's like, do you want to enter? I'm like, yes, of course. But what does she mean by entering? I didn't ask. 300 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:55.000 You don't ask. Oh, my God. Amazing. Amazing. 301 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:56.000 She's like, what's that? 302 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:06.000 Ignorance is bliss. You know what? If I didn't know what entering a battle was, I probably would have done it already. 303 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:15.000 She said, what style? I'm like, what style, girl, I'm dancing. Let's dance. 304 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.000 Amazing. 305 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.000 And so she signed me up for 306 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.000 everything in every category. 307 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.000 Every category. Everything. And I don't know what anything is. 308 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:34.000 I'm writing her a special thank you letter. She is getting a handwritten note from of appreciation. 309 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:46.000 And I only know popping, locking at the time. Everybody calls it locking, Kimball locking and b boy. 310 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.000 Right? 311 00:35:47.000 --> 00:36:05.000 Except your game up had b boying at the time. And I go, you know, every time a category is called Alan. Every time a category is called Allen. And I'm going, luckily, I was not first. My God. And I would see. 312 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.000 You're watching. 313 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:15.000 I'm watching. I said, oh, I can do that. House. House comes. And I'm like, oh, they're. They're only dancing with their legs. Okay. 314 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.000 And I'll do legs dancing. 315 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:46.000 I'll do leg dancing. They go to the floor from time to time. Okay, I could do that. And now I'm moving my legs, and then they're doing popping. But I know pop locking. I don't know popping. And I'm like, oh, they're literally hitting their muscles. Okay, I could dance like that. So I'm just dancing, going like this. I'm just dancing, going like this. And then logging comes. I'm like, oh, I know that one. So I'm like, hi. 316 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.000 Because that Usher video. 317 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:57.000 That Usher video got me ready. I'm ready for this one. B boying. I knew the dude. 318 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.000 How. How did you survive this day? 319 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:15.000 I was just dancing. I was just so excited. And then they didn't call my name for anything, of course, and. But for some reason, they didn't call my name for lock in. And I'm. I was like, ow. 320 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.000 You felt a sting? Yeah. 321 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.000 And I was like, I know that one. 322 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:32.000 Oh, dang. Okay. Okay. So then desire to be good was showing up also 323 00:37:32.000 --> 00:38:02.000 camel locking. My gosh. No dance is easy. No dance. There's no such thing as an easy dance. And this camel locking dance, I'm just pointing, rolling, holding something, and that's it. And everything else I have, I can do anything. But in this dance, why are people only doing these things? 324 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.000 Some people are speaking with ABCs. 325 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:12.000 I don't know how to dance with that, because if I'm only doing that, I don't feel like I'm dancing. And I love dancing. 326 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.000 Expression. 327 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:21.000 Yeah, Sentences, sentences. And so it was difficult for me because I had to find my dance in it. 328 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:26.000 Well, you surely pretty sure you have. 329 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:42.000 And then, oh, my gosh, there is a name that I'm not gonna say. And for amazing reasons, harmful person. And he had asked me to be his. He's like, hey, you're very good at this. 330 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.000 Let me teach you. 331 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:52.000 And I'm like, yes. And already he's like, hey, this is my new student, Alan. Hey. This is. I'm like, he didn't teach me anything yet. 332 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.000 Oh, wait, wait. Yeah. 333 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.000 Okay. So already I'm like, observe. 334 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.000 Huh? 335 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.000 My. I always go into observation first. 336 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.000 Yeah. 337 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:22.000 So I'm already like, okay. But you say you won't teach me, so it's okay. But I'm not your student yet because you didn't teach me anything. So that actually made me reluctant to go to him every time he's like, hey, can you practice today? I'm like, no, I'm busy. No, I cannot. No. But it's that I didn't feel something. Good. 338 00:39:22.000 --> 00:40:05.000 There's a word for what that person did. A book that I recommend mostly to women. Anytime I know a person who's about to go on tour, I will gift them this book. It's called the Gift of Fear. And it explains how to listen to that moment that your gut is telling you something's not quite right. And how to give names to that feeling so that, you know, it's not just, oh, they came out of nowhere with a knife. It's like, no, actually, when I turned the corner, I saw a car that I didn't recognize. And then I heard something in this place, like, there. There. Very few things actually come out of nowhere, basically. And you had a gift of fear. 339 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:17.000 I was terrified. And then me and Omar, AKA Firelock, we became friends. And we just became friends because he loved how I dance. And I. My God, he was already so good. 340 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:18.000 So good. 341 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:52.000 One of my faves as well, that man, so. And also, whenever he doesn't go out much, he just loves dance. He's the. He's internal. Yes. So am I. Except I. I can go out. The thing. The thing with me, it's not. I love the atmosphere of dance, people dancing, but I don't have to be part of it. I can dance in my corner. Actually, I have a hard time dancing alone on my own. And when I'm around a lot of people. 342 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.000 In your room? 343 00:40:53.000 --> 00:41:01.000 Yeah, when I'm around a lot of people, it just falls out. When I'm. And myself. Myself in a room, it's not falling out. 344 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000 It's. 345 00:41:02.000 --> 00:42:11.000 It's very static. So whenever he want to go out, he would say, hey, are you gonna go out today? If I say no, then he doesn't. And then he would say, hey, are you going to go out today? I said, yes. And then he's like, oh, I'm coming. Okay. And then he would just be dancing. My God. So we were. This. The thought of Partnership? No, because for me, I just got here. You are. Whoa. I just feel lucky that I can dance witness this. And so they would have performances. He. That was. That's his teacher. He was part of the crew of that. And then whenever they would have performance, they would invite me to perform with them. And so I would perform with them. And that's when I would be engaging with the person. And I would always be like, I just. Things he would say just didn't align with me at all because I didn't dance for those things. Like, he would give me advice. Like, whenever you step onto the floor dates is your floor. You are the star. And I'm just like, I just to dance, man. Like, I just. I just want to dance. 346 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:12.000 Yep. 347 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.000 And so it would be like, not aligned. 348 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000 Not aligned in values. 349 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:25.000 I have a block in my ear that is great. I don't know when I learned that, but I learned it somehow. And I know. Hurry. I learned that. You know, I do. 350 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.000 Y. 351 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:33.000 And when he would be talking, it's like I go. And then all I hears, like, when 352 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.000 you turn the noise canceling on your headphones. Nice. 353 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.000 Because I didn't want to hear it. I didn't like what he was saying. 354 00:42:41.000 --> 00:43:16.000 I appreciate this, by the way. This is massive. This is huge. And I do think wildly important for people to hear. Especially this day and age when everybody has a mentorship program, everybody has a training thing. It is really important for people to hear that. It is okay and important. And you should silence even voices that have maybe been here longer, that have maybe won more than you have or worked more than you have, whatever. If their North Star is not the same as your North Star, you don't have to subscribe to that. 355 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:37.000 Me, I had no idea what I wanted. I just know I just wanted to dance. And I'm just dancing for now. And so we're performing. We're performing one day, he's like, we're performing one day, he's like, yeah, we have hurricane coming to the stage. I'm like, whoa. And I said, that's my name. And then I said, absolutely bad from you. Absolutely you. 356 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:45.000 And you had no idea until that moment that that was. It was. It dropped anywhere before. And you. 357 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:55.000 He said it. And then I was like, absolutely not. And then I was like, hurricane plus hurricane is affecting Haiti every year for like, whoa. Three times a year. I don't want a name like that. 358 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.000 Destruction, please. 359 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:30.000 I don't want that name. And it's 2009 now. This is like 2009. And then, because I'm performing with them, I. I get a call from Omar. He's like, hey, the creator of Locking is coming to town, and they're gonna honor him in the dance parade of New York, and he's gonna be the marshal, and we don't have anybody to take care of him because I work and they work. What about you? Are you free? I'm like, yes, I am. And so now, for the next 10 360 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:38.000 years, literally, Don Campbellock actually fell in your lap. Literally. And you were his handler. Amazing. 361 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:49.000 But for 10 days. I've literally done every day for 10 days for a great amount of hours of, like, since morning to, like, evening. 362 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.000 Incredible. 363 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.000 And I'm listening to everything, and I'm hearing stories. Everything. 364 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.000 Yeah. 365 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:09.000 Like, wow. But, like, everything. And he can tell me a story three, four times. It doesn't change. 366 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:10.000 Oh, amazing. 367 00:45:09.000 --> 00:46:08.000 And that's when I know it's like, oh, you live this and you saw this and you. Yeah. So he's telling me, like, everything. And he's also, you know, protecting me, warning me about things, and I'm like, I don't have no idea what you're talking about, sir. Now, I know, you know, it was a lot of warning, a lot of protection, a lot of sharing about his history, and it's always about his history. And, like, what he saw, it was never, this person did this. This person did this. This person was doing this because of this. No, it was just about, like, I saw this. I did this. I felt like this, and I was like, wow, okay. And I'm listening. I'm listening, I'm listening. And then he tells me how he created his dance. He's like, I don't know why people call it like this. I was just doing this. I don't know why people call it pointing. I'm just pointing because this person was pointing at me and laughing at me. And then I point back at them, and then they jumped, and then I started pointing at everybody because everybody started laughing. 368 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.000 And. 369 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:15.000 And he's like, I was not wrist rolling. I don't know what that is. I was just. I was just turning my wrist. I picked up moving my. 370 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.000 Yeah, moving my tissue, literally. 371 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:26.000 And then he's just explaining everything like that. And then I'm just like, okay, what 372 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.000 do I do with this information? 373 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:42.000 What do I do with all this information? And so now when I'm dancing. Now I'm dancing now when I'm doing this thing now, it's not abc. No. 374 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:51.000 It's context. It's history, but it's Also personal. It's also yours. It's not Don's. Yeah, it's yours. It's an evolution of a thing. 375 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.000 He keeps saying, take my dance and make it yours. 376 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:54.000 Yeah. 377 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:06.000 What happened, why I was able to dance now is because he said, I don't want it structured. And I said, oh, likes it free. Yeah. And so then I was able to 378 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.000 dance because you had permission to be free. 379 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.000 Yeah. 380 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.000 Which is what you were in Legs dance. 381 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:21.000 Yeah. I love my God. That's why I dance House too. 382 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.000 Yeah. 383 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.000 But legs dance. 384 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.000 Legs dance is pretty good. 385 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:29.000 Les dance is my reason for being free. I have such a relationship with legends, which is House. 386 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:57.000 That's great. That's great. We can start using legs, AKA House. No, that's. That's remarkable, my friend. What brilliant timing and what a riveting story. A journey of, of exposure to things and a great example of how not knowing is a strength and so is pursuit of knowing. 387 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:34.000 It really is. And then that was. That same time was the first time I've been in the final because they had a battle after the. After the parade and they did it. If they did an event and it was a couple of lockers that entered and then it was a three way final between myself, Firelock and Mikey and Mikey P. Great locker. My God. So creative. Sometimes I'm like come back to dancing and I was just. This is when I started blacking out when I dance. Just. I 388 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.000 untethered. 389 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.000 I don't know what's going on. 390 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:42.000 Okay. Is that still your mode? Other than the moments when you have sentences and you're doing the negotiation? 391 00:48:42.000 --> 00:49:30.000 Even then it's just me and me. Yeah, it's just me and me. Like I'm having these negotiations. So it's just I'm still in the void. Yeah. And so when did that. It didn't. It doesn't stop. It just. I became aware and avoid. And I remember when the first time that happened, I was so freaked out. It was like, I'm here and literally I'm like, I'm choosing what to do. I never chose what to do before, ever. I'm just doing go, go, go. And now I hear everything. Like everything. And I hear everything. I don't know what I'm trying to explain. I hear everything. So I can choose what you're going to do. And you have. 392 00:49:30.000 --> 00:50:26.000 Yeah. This is. Yo. You know the. So there's this amazing science fiction writer. That's where I went. Named Ted Chang. And he wrote the story. Story that the movie Arrival is based on. Have you Seen that movie. This like big monolith of a thing come. Amy Adams is in it. It's so good. And they. The alien creatures that live aboard this giant egg looking monolith thing are what they call heptapods. They've got five legs and hands that are kind of like squid like. And they speak in these ink blots that are circular, not linear. And there's a moment in the movie when Amy Adams character starts dreaming in their language and she becomes able to speak their language. And I think what you're talking about is being able to speak with dance the same way that you can speak with words. Which is. Before I get to the next one, I'm choosing what the next one's going to be intentionally. 393 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:36.000 Yeah. And the thing is, like, what did you say? You said, then I can know what to do. Yes, I know what to do. Yeah. 394 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.000 Ish, right? 395 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.000 I know this. I hear the sound. Yeah. 396 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.000 And you also, by this point, know music. 397 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:55.000 Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Music is some. Is. I know music before dance. Yeah, I know music before dance. Actually, all this conversation about musicality interrupted that relationship with music. 398 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.000 Oh, okay. 399 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:05.000 Yeah, it interrupted it. And one day I said, stop this. Let's go back to how we used to listen to music. Not even go back. Actually, we have these knowledge of what 400 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:12.000 music did you mean the conversation with dance or. You said, you said all this conversation with music stopped the conversation with music. 401 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:29.000 Once I started getting more seasoned, growing and dance, then, you know, everybody have. Oh, my God. Musicality is this. Musicality is that. Musicality is like, you should do this, you should do that, you should do that. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, oh, okay. Something to learn. But that interrupted my love for music. 402 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.000 Got it. 403 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.000 Because I was not just listening anymore. 404 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:32.000 Yep. 405 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:40.000 I was dissecting. I was. Which is not bad because it did do something good for me. It gave me awareness to the way. 406 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.000 You don't want to do it. 407 00:51:40.000 --> 00:52:16.000 Yes. Yes. So then I just, I. I stopped practicing that and I just started just enjoying music again and just listening and not touch it. I don't touch it. I just listen. I don't touch it at all because I know it gives me everything I need because that's what it did before. And so cool. When I'm in that moment, what happens is it's like I see all the sounds, but not, not see. It's just. I hear it so clearly that it's like something I physically see, but I don't see anything. 408 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.000 You're. It's the void. 409 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:40.000 Yeah. And I, it's like I know where everything is. And if I go here, my movement is going to become that when I do this. That's my movement when I do this. This is when I go. Not do. When I go here. This is my movement when I go here. So I don't have a plan of a movement. It's. I know the sound will create the movement. 410 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.000 And when you say here and here and here, are you talking about sound spaces or emotional spaces? 411 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.000 Rhythm. Rhythm. 412 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.000 Got it. 413 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.000 Rhythm. 414 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.000 If I dance here, I do this. If I dance here, I do this. 415 00:52:52.000 --> 00:53:02.000 It's. It's gonna look like that. So whatever the, the. The sound sound like, look like, that's what my movement is gonna be. And I fully trust that. 416 00:53:02.000 --> 00:54:10.000 Cool. You're so cool. I. You're doing a great job of explaining what it feels like to be dancing. And one of the things I wanted to talk to the most is battle mentality. And you're explaining this void, this like making decisions without deciding, but with knowing and being able to see places that aren't actual places. It does look like to me when you are dancing that you are somewhere else, but not in the way that I feel when some people dissociate. I feel very specifically with you that you are deeply connected to some, some. Some source or something. But that I don't have access to it. I don't get to know what it is. That's how I feel when a lot of. When I watch a lot of freestylers, I'm like, you're talking, you're connected to a thing and I'm just here on the outside. But I. It's very cool to hear you explain the experience of being in the dance. 417 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:27.000 How I got over the crowd thing is, I didn't get over the crowd thing. I didn't get over the eyes. I didn't. It's just what I learned to do is give my complete attention to music. Cool. Like when I. I know I'm gonna. I sign up for a battle. I know I'm gonna battle. 418 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:31.000 I signed up. I'm aware. 419 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:40.000 You know, it's just. I give my complete attention to the music and there's somebody in front of me that I honor because I love. My God, I love watching dance. 420 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.000 Right. 421 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.000 I love watching dance so much. And, and you have a front row 422 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.000 seat to somebody performing for you. At you. 423 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:49.000 Yes. 424 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.000 Against you right there. Do you see it as against? 425 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.000 No. 426 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.000 Okay. It's with. It's for. 427 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:04.000 It's ah, with. With. I can say with. It just won't it won't. It won't do what? I. 428 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.000 It's something else. 429 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:18.000 I'm enjoying this person. My God, I love dance so much. I love watching it. I love. It's just when I found out I could do it, I. Nothing. Do you understand? How many gifts. How cool is that to, like, love 430 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:26.000 something and then find out it loves you back? That's sick. Lucky. 431 00:55:26.000 --> 00:56:20.000 So when I'm battling, I'm literally just like, there's this person, and I get to watch them dance, and I allow them to inspire me because dance inspire me all the time. And they're just sharing their world, and I'm excited to just watch and observe and learn and. And be inspired and. And then here I am. I'm gonna do the same thing, and it's gonna be my world, and it's gonna be your world, and I'm just gonna enjoy you. My love. My God. And the competition thing, I love every time you say, you know the battle mentality. When I read it, I'm like, I'm laughing because I'm like, she gonna find out that I don't have any of that. Perfect. Because I'm just enjoying. The thing that I do have is 432 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:25.000 playfulness, which is why I'm attracted to your dancing, period. 433 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.000 That's why I'm attracted to your dancing. 434 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.000 Thank you. 435 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:29.000 I love your creation. 436 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:38.000 Partners in. In that. In. In the appetite for play and, of course, and appreciation as a child. 437 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.000 I love to play. That's why I do sports. 438 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000 Right? 439 00:56:40.000 --> 00:57:36.000 And my God. And so when somebody's. Let's say when the people that loves to battle, like, I, I, I learned acceptance through battling, because how anyone come. That's how they come. Really. I. My love, I never want to interrupt. I don't want to interrupt this thing. And I know they are. They are being who they are. They are dancing the way they dance. When they come to my face and play with me, I'm like, oh, you know, game. Yes. It's just a game. Like, not the game that people say, but for me, no, no, not the game. A game. And I'm just playing, and I'm like, yeah, why not? Yeah. And even when they're aggressive, even when they're touching me, even. Even when they're really aggressive, I'm just like, oh, let's go. That's what you want today. Okay. But it's just. It's never gonna make me do that. But it might look like I'm doing that because now I'm gonna play with you. 440 00:57:36.000 --> 00:58:14.000 Yes. Yes. I'm Thinking of one. I don't remember. This is, like, one of my earlier exposures to you. I learned about you through Tony. And we always just watch battle. Whenever I'm over there, we're just watching battles endlessly. Or tennis battles. Or tennis. Sometimes both at the same time, which is hard for me. But you were battling Flo, and there was just some. He did something with his hat, or he, like, threw his hat, and you caught his hat. I don't remember what battle this was or what year it was. Do you. Do you have a good memory? Maybe? Oh, is it? 441 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.000 Yeah. 442 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:43.000 And I was just like, yo, this guy is so sharp, so present, so game. And I know the adrenaline of being in that situation can help that, but it was more than that. I was like, this guy's playing the game. Like, you were at the chessboard, like, strategizing. It's so. That's the word. You were so game. And it. It read so powerfully. And I was just like, yeah, that guy's pretty good. 443 00:58:43.000 --> 01:00:05.000 And, you know, I love. I love, love, love. Flowmaster's dancing. My God. He's. He's playful, and he's aggressive too. Yes. And I really. I. I love expression. I love. However someone decides to express themselves. It's just. I'm not gonna do that, and I'm just not gonna do that. But I really love this world that I get to experience. My God, why would I want to see it? I love dance. And so whenever he did something or whenever anyone I'm battling do something, I get to play with that. Yeah, I get in my friends. I'm so blessed with the friends that I've acquired through dance. My God. And we would spend countless hours in a living room just dancing. And the way we practice was playfulness. We would say crazy things like, okay, you're only gonna dance with your left side. If you want to use your right side, it has to go to the left. We would play games like that, and then we just. Nobody. And none of us know what we were talking about. We just had to figure it out. Yeah. And we. And the more someone figured out, and you're like, oh. So whoever goes first was like. But then they would figure it out because we're so. Like, yeah, yeah. Because we want to see you figure it out so we can figure it out. So we would play. 444 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.000 That's a good. Crazy games. 445 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:27.000 Crazy games. And then we would play games like, okay, you're gonna say. You're gonna. Your movement is gonna say everything that this person is saying in the song. Oh, that's what got me the. And then we would play games like that. And really. And none of us was focused on the style at all at the time. 446 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:39.000 It wasn't like, let's do come over. We're gonna do drills. We're gonna do wrist rolls for an hour and a half. That's what Riley and I do. But not now. Sometimes we do. 447 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:40.000 Yeah. 448 01:00:40.000 --> 01:01:41.000 Not for an hour and a half, but we'll do drills. I kind of fell out of love with dance during the pandemic. Your story of meeting and loving dance, by the way, is very thorough and very consistent. Mine has been more ebbs and flows. Very love. Very out of love. Very in love. Very out of love. And during the pandemic, it was definitely out of love. And I would have stopped entirely if it wasn't for watching Instagram. Like, people would post drills. Like a crazy, ridiculous polyrhythm. Right side, left side, bullshit that Luna, Luna, Luna. My favorite lun that. I was like, oh, I have to try that. And I didn't have to have fun. I didn't have to express my feelings. I didn't have to have someone else like it or even see it. It was just like a mechanical thing that kept me in conversation with my body and with the form that felt right at that time. And so, yeah, I. You know, different seasons, man. Different seasons. 449 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:46.000 Staying in love, staying, staying in love, staying. And I just love dance. 450 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:53.000 So it's not been a. It's not been a challenge for you? Have you ever. Do you think you've ever been out of love? 451 01:01:53.000 --> 01:02:50.000 Not out of love. I was so heartbroken with Don's passing. I was so crushed. And I didn't know. I was. I just didn't feel anything. And then I was having the hardest time dancing. I know. I love. I know I'm in love, just not feeling right now at all. And what happened next, I fight for it. I fight for it, and I was also fighting people for it, because whoever was not kind to Don, and whenever I saw them now being kind to Don, it triggered this pain that I was feeling and 452 01:02:50.000 --> 01:04:16.000 still, still, still, still some feels in there. That's what happens, my friends, when we care deeply for people and for their legacy. That's important. That explains a lot, what his friendship and guidance meant to you and the way that you've taken the torch in honoring his legacy and in the way that you teach, including context. I think with a lot of. With a lot of dance class, period, even outside of street styles, it's a lot of Dance and not a lot of talk. And I think when the dance has something sticky to latch onto, enter context, enter history, then it grows better when it has. When it has roots. Imagine that. Absolutely. So thank you for taking that on. It doesn't sound like it's a light load for you. No, but important. And a love yo. Love hurts sometimes. Love hurts sometimes. It's a lie that it feel good all the time. We accept this with other forms. Oh, you're a classical ballerina. Great. You're going to be in pain all the time. And also hungry. 453 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.000 Mm. 454 01:04:17.000 --> 01:05:00.000 Oh, you have. It's just a different. A different version of a different load that we carry. But how lucky are we to be carrying that weight when they're in the world of all the other weight that there is to carry? My friend, I really could talk to you for a very long time. I have. I've only gotten through two of my bullets, and I do think we might need to do a part, a part two, too, because I, I, I think we need. There's way more to unpack here. But I do want to ask you one more question. I am curious about how you would define funk. What is funk? What is funk to you? 455 01:05:00.000 --> 01:06:07.000 Funk is a feeling that's the easiest because that's the truth. The truth. The truth. The truth. The truth. I used to. So I have mentors that I've never met before, like Ms. Maya Angelou. Whenever. Whenever. If I'm going through a time, there are things that I do, like watch a bunch of her interviews and others so I can feel grounded, so I can get grounded, so I can come back to my grounding. And I remember there was an interview she was doing, I think she was on Oprah, and this young lady asked her a question. What was the question? She. The young lady asked her a question, and then Maya, Ms. Maya Angelou said, you have to be able to see the truth at all times. And then she says, the facts are not truth. They're simply perspective. They're loud. They're big. Sometimes they're. Sometimes they're so big that they hide the truth. Facts are real. You can touch them. It's not that they're real, it's just that they're physically here. You can touch them. You can see them. You can touch them. 456 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:09.000 You can measure them. 457 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:35.000 You can measure them so they. They look like the truth. Sometimes they're not the truth. And I was arguing with her, I think, at least for four years in my head. What are you talking about? Facts are truth. What are you Talking about facts are true. That makes no sense. What are you talking about? Facts are truth. That make no sense. I remember I was dancing and 458 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:36.000 you 459 01:06:35.000 --> 01:08:22.000 know, when I'm dancing, especially when I started being known in the dance world, hurricane is not locking. Hurricane is not locking. Hurricane is not looking. It's not looking. And that never bothered me. I watch it bother a lot of people, which made me like. And because I knew the truth, and I think that was the first time it finally hit me. Don told me the truth. The fact is. What? Because Don said, wow. And Poland 2010. No, I think 12. Me and Flocky was there and it was Don judging and Bugalu. Sam judging. I remember Don talking to us. It was like one of those when, you know when you get a sit like this and you get to talk to them. And he said, yes, everybody's doing my dance. It's just they're not doing my dance. And then he said, you can't imagine creating something. And I'm not saying they're doing it wrong, but they're doing it wrong. It's not that they're doing it wrong. It's just they're not doing my dance. And then that's when that thing that Maya Angelou, Ms. Maya Angelou. I was arguing in my head about her clicked. Because the fact is all of this is correct. That's the fact that there. It's correct. This is also correct. This is also correct. Like, this is also correct. It doesn't have to be anything. 460 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:23.000 Yeah. 461 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.000 It's just what it is. 462 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:32.000 So do you think he was saying that they're not doing my dance in the sense that it was uniquely and individually his. 463 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:37.000 It was uniquely. Individually his. And it's uniquely. Individually, everyone's. 464 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:42.000 Everyone who can embed themselves in it. 465 01:08:42.000 --> 01:09:17.000 Take my dance and make it yours. And that's the truth. And when he said he doesn't want to structure it. And this is the structure. It's just the movement. Are it. That's it. The truth is the movement. Henborn. That's. We know we're making music with our body. There is no how. It's not which we do. That's the only thing everyone does. Because that's what we learn. The truth is you making music. That's why he's always. 466 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:18.000 All of it. 467 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:29.000 Always. The truth is. You're pointing. There is no how. But we learned this in class, so we think this is how point. 468 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.000 But is there how not? 469 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:35.000 No, there just is. 470 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:41.000 But I swear, I swear there is a way not to do it. 471 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.000 No There is. There's no knots. There's just. 472 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:49.000 Now it's me butting heads with you. 473 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:59.000 Oh, it's. It's. It's. It's one of the best things ever to know that. And to. And then I learned. Oh, my God, you're gonna have to grow. 474 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.000 Yeah. You're gonna have to release some shit and grow. 475 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.000 Like, just grow. 476 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:04.000 Cool. 477 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:33.000 Just grow. And since I decided to grow, nothing affects me because I said, huh. If I try to be amazing, then I'm gonna reach for amazing. If I try to be great, I'm gonna reach for great. If I try to be. Huh. But. No but. And when you grow, all those things are available to you. Amazing's in growing. Great. Isn't growing good? Isn't growing anything that you could ever think is in growth. And so is the bad things, too. Okay, let's grow. 478 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:34.000 So we're growing. 479 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:35.000 So we're growing. 480 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:42.000 So we're growing. Instead of grading or gooding or perfecting or writing, we're growing. 481 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:48.000 And I knew every time someone says, hurricane's not locking, I said, I'm learning how to speak. 482 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.000 I'm growing. 483 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.000 I'm growing. And. 484 01:10:50.000 --> 01:11:03.000 And in that way, you're locking more. More in alignment with. With the vision, the original vision, which also was an accident. 485 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.000 Yeah. 486 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.000 So it's not like you're the vision up and the. 487 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:13.000 The person that created the vision says, just do. 488 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.000 Just do. 489 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.000 Just do. Here's those things. Now play with them. 490 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.000 Cool, cool, cool. Love that. Thank you for that. 491 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:20.000 Of course. 492 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:39.000 Thank you for being a phenomenal example of what it looks like to defy genre and honor it at the same time. Both can be true. It's. It's totally okay. And a lot can be gained by not knowing. And having a huge appetite for knowing is also great. Thank you for embodying both. 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